I care about the Nazis in Ukraine because you're asking me to pay for them and lift them up as heroes. Nobody's doing that for the Nazis in Russia.
There are wars all over and there are always going to be wars all over. But in a country where a company makes the news because it had a summer picnic and served watermelon and fried chicken and their employees (all, many, whatever?) were black and that's an unforgivable "microagression," don't you be telling me I'm supposed to be totes fine with arming a bunch of literal Nazis because "democracy."
Back when Vice started reporting on the coup in Ukraine, it was obvious that a Neo-NAIZ movement was the primary force behind it. Also the torture of Russians in Kyiv was well filmed. It was clear that American mercenaries were fighting in Kyiv, with Obama's blessing.
How strange that NAZIs now are jews,. And that we are going broke,and homeless people wander aimlessly in my country, while we supply arms to Ukrainian NAIZs.
I've strong feelings in the topic but don't want them to make me to lose context.
For example, some people got drafted and assigned to Azov. Most forces are citizen conscripts, sent to hell without being Banderites, just manipulated citizens as as happened globally, including during Apartheid.
I watched a video the other day, and the women it featured, who were captured in Mariupol as part of Azov, were traumatised both by the battle and their captivity. I couldn't know their beliefs but I could sympathise with their trauma.
However, context is also the US using these racists to start a war, and Zelensky following the lead of both. For their role in that, the Nazis are unforgivable.
Funny how these Nazis behave exactly like the ILLEGAL Israeli Settlers - and much of the IDF! Psychopaths behave in similar ways when they are given power and weapons!
It's the history of our world, and thus our collective nature. It's with knowledge and reflection that we rip oneself away from that ensemble of violence.
Knowledge and reflection are not dominant traits found in psychopaths. They must be removed or minimized before the "healing" can begin. I remain cautiously optimistic, but it will probably be a VERY bumpy road on the way to sanity.
Just a sidebar because it’s you. I once did a three week tour coordinating a three band tour of skateparks in the Southwest. As you may or may not know skateparks were a favorite hangout for the skinhead contingent. These bands were all supposed to be white supremacist/Nazi oriented. Anyway being a history buff I knew a lot more about what they thought they were about than they did. It was an interesting cultural experience though, especially when we would show up and the park owners had hired black kids to man the barricades. All Nazis are not alike.
There's a difference between rebellion and perception of rebellion, or being fascinated by dead arseholes, than worshipping and emulating rapists and killers. Rock is beautiful rebellion, and metalheads, as psychology has proven, are generally happier for it.
I was West Coast going to the Whiskey a Go Go and a few trips to the Filmore in San Francisco. Saw the Doors, Led Zeppelin, Who, Cream, Ramones and Fear, a band that I really liked. Even saw Van Halen in it's very early days. Ash Grove was a great club for blues. Saw Howlin Wolf, Albert, Freddy, and BB King for the Night of the Kings. Canned Heat was great there. Los Angeles punk scene was a little dangerous for a man in his late 20's and early thirties with shoulder length hair. Punks were really demanding of fashion conformity. I was always able to be in the balcony or back of the club. Black Flag, Suicidal Tendencies, Dead Kennedy's, Dickies and of course Fear. You were crazy to park a car anywhere near a punk venue especially in Huntington Beach. One of the best sets I ever heard at the Whiskey was Cannibal Corpse. Sound, mix and vocals were perfect.
Shew! That's an incredible rock 'n roll CV you've got, and I so wish it was mine. The Doors was in the first handful of bands I loved. It was a match for getting drunk and writing poetry. The only one whose music I didn;t know was Fear so I put on a few tracks from 'Have Another Beer with Fear '. Coincidentally, for 1995, the first song is 'USA' and the lyrics are:
Yes, Fear were the trolling masters including their feminist anthem "Mouth Don't Stop", "Hank Williams is a Queer" and their love anthem "I Don't Care About You". "USA" was Fears dig at the Dead Kennedy's. Believe or not they played on Saturday Night Live because John Belushi was a fan. It is on Youtube.
The band I probably saw the most was Motorhead who were always great live but their records were so badly recorded and they actually sounded better on very inferior playback equipment. Have you seen the movie they were a huge part of, "Eat the Rich"? Hilarious.
When "Break on Through" came out, the Doors were amazing but later Jim Morrison was so fucked up on stage. The Byrds were always so wasted on heroin and I swear their songs sounded a lot slower live! And to torture everybody most concert tickets in the 60's were under $7.50. I saw the Rolling Stones for $3.50. The Who back then had the best sound mixer and Led Zeppelin were the first to play for over 1 hour. Their shows were usually 2 hours plus.
Thank you. I agree that manipulation is a major factor. I add the caveat that some cultures, especially in extreme situations such as Ukraine, may spurt such radicalism.
Thanks for the links and info. Project Coast is what led me to the Truth and Reconciliation Commission and Wouter Basson. The chemical agents from this project I think were moved to other biolabs in Africa and the Ukraine. With US interest in the project and wanting the project to continue under the military is very suspicious.
I do have both books by Susan Williams and the Dag Hammarskjold case, Algerian Civil War, Katanga and the murder of Lumumba were my first political fascinations as a 10 to 12 year old. I was required by family to read the newspaper when I was eight years old and my grandmother was a Christian anarchist and member of the International Workers of the World. The events above really caught my eye and certainly provided a guideline to further research. The bombing campaign by the FLN and later by the OAS I searched for tidbits in our newspaper and I even had my father buy foreign newspapers at the newsstand. I saw Battle of Algiers numerous times at the theater and saw Lumumba when it was released. I have personally both films and the Criterion version of Battle of Algiers is superb.
It is amazing the influence Lumumba has today and even among many young African military leaders. Its seems Lumumba is becoming the philosophical leader of the new African Independence movement. The CIA almost single handedly destroyed the progress of Africa for over 60 years.
The documentary is like an auteur movie, when it takes a tangent. Mads Brügger, the director, in his second doccie, went to Central African Republic pretending to be a diplomat, and was welcomed. His latest is excellent - 'The Mole: Undercover in North Korea'.
Director Raoul Peck's 'Lumumba' is good, a brother to his Rwandan 'Sometimes in April'. But my favourite of his is easily his 2013 documentary, 'Fatal Assistance', showing how aid to Haiti was ripped off, and features arseholes such as Bill Clinton. His finger points both ways because my second favourite is 'Moloch Tropical' which satirises a fictional dictator of the island.
'The Young Karl Marx' and 'I Am Not Your Negro'' are also good.
It was a subscriber to my other page that sparked me to watch a lot of his movies in a week.
Your family is interesting. Mine avoided the world and logic, so I turned to books and looked inwards.
Why did the media lie? Because they’re the Scorpion in the fable of the 🐸 Frog and the Scorpion 🦂
Sometimes a scorpion cross-dressing as a frog.
Excellent point. Scorpions 🦂 can be masters of disguise.
I care about the Nazis in Ukraine because you're asking me to pay for them and lift them up as heroes. Nobody's doing that for the Nazis in Russia.
There are wars all over and there are always going to be wars all over. But in a country where a company makes the news because it had a summer picnic and served watermelon and fried chicken and their employees (all, many, whatever?) were black and that's an unforgivable "microagression," don't you be telling me I'm supposed to be totes fine with arming a bunch of literal Nazis because "democracy."
Wonderful point. Whose paying matters!
Back when Vice started reporting on the coup in Ukraine, it was obvious that a Neo-NAIZ movement was the primary force behind it. Also the torture of Russians in Kyiv was well filmed. It was clear that American mercenaries were fighting in Kyiv, with Obama's blessing.
How strange that NAZIs now are jews,. And that we are going broke,and homeless people wander aimlessly in my country, while we supply arms to Ukrainian NAIZs.
Adolf Hitler would be proud
I've strong feelings in the topic but don't want them to make me to lose context.
For example, some people got drafted and assigned to Azov. Most forces are citizen conscripts, sent to hell without being Banderites, just manipulated citizens as as happened globally, including during Apartheid.
I watched a video the other day, and the women it featured, who were captured in Mariupol as part of Azov, were traumatised both by the battle and their captivity. I couldn't know their beliefs but I could sympathise with their trauma.
However, context is also the US using these racists to start a war, and Zelensky following the lead of both. For their role in that, the Nazis are unforgivable.
And so is the leadership of NATO and the USA.To fund evil is the same,or worse than to do evil.
With my apologies to John Locke .
"The dread of evil is a much more forcible principle of human actions than the prospect of good."
"I have always thought the actions of men the best interpreters of their thoughts."
"It is one thing to show a man that he is in an error, and another to put him in possession of the truth."
Thanks. I'll use one or two more of his for a Note.
Funny how these Nazis behave exactly like the ILLEGAL Israeli Settlers - and much of the IDF! Psychopaths behave in similar ways when they are given power and weapons!
It's the history of our world, and thus our collective nature. It's with knowledge and reflection that we rip oneself away from that ensemble of violence.
Knowledge and reflection are not dominant traits found in psychopaths. They must be removed or minimized before the "healing" can begin. I remain cautiously optimistic, but it will probably be a VERY bumpy road on the way to sanity.
Not all are sociopaths, some are idiots... confusing 'cause they have several traits in common.
I'm a retired clinical psychotherapist and I'd have to agree.
We must be watching season 23 of the television soapie 'Politics'.
Just a sidebar because it’s you. I once did a three week tour coordinating a three band tour of skateparks in the Southwest. As you may or may not know skateparks were a favorite hangout for the skinhead contingent. These bands were all supposed to be white supremacist/Nazi oriented. Anyway being a history buff I knew a lot more about what they thought they were about than they did. It was an interesting cultural experience though, especially when we would show up and the park owners had hired black kids to man the barricades. All Nazis are not alike.
There's a difference between rebellion and perception of rebellion, or being fascinated by dead arseholes, than worshipping and emulating rapists and killers. Rock is beautiful rebellion, and metalheads, as psychology has proven, are generally happier for it.
I'm now 2 months late on making my annual best documentaries list, and the next month is looking fill, but I enjoyed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cadFFnd4eIc
Here's two minute footage of what Max's Kansas City looked like before the punks took over - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuyQfxo0ocs
Man I shouldn’t have watched those. That gets the memories stirring.
They're fascinating.
Yeah, Daniel. I feel the same way...
Just to think about all the things that's happened in the past 10 years
Boggles the mind.
I was West Coast going to the Whiskey a Go Go and a few trips to the Filmore in San Francisco. Saw the Doors, Led Zeppelin, Who, Cream, Ramones and Fear, a band that I really liked. Even saw Van Halen in it's very early days. Ash Grove was a great club for blues. Saw Howlin Wolf, Albert, Freddy, and BB King for the Night of the Kings. Canned Heat was great there. Los Angeles punk scene was a little dangerous for a man in his late 20's and early thirties with shoulder length hair. Punks were really demanding of fashion conformity. I was always able to be in the balcony or back of the club. Black Flag, Suicidal Tendencies, Dead Kennedy's, Dickies and of course Fear. You were crazy to park a car anywhere near a punk venue especially in Huntington Beach. One of the best sets I ever heard at the Whiskey was Cannibal Corpse. Sound, mix and vocals were perfect.
Shew! That's an incredible rock 'n roll CV you've got, and I so wish it was mine. The Doors was in the first handful of bands I loved. It was a match for getting drunk and writing poetry. The only one whose music I didn;t know was Fear so I put on a few tracks from 'Have Another Beer with Fear '. Coincidentally, for 1995, the first song is 'USA' and the lyrics are:
Endangered by communist lands
Invaded by terrorist sands
When your ass needs bailing out today
Who's the whole world call on right away?
Right away
USA
USA
USA
USA, USA
Force is fear, fear forces peace
Fear makes us the world's police
When your ass needs bailing out today
Who's the whole world call on right away?
(Who you gonna call?)
Yes, Fear were the trolling masters including their feminist anthem "Mouth Don't Stop", "Hank Williams is a Queer" and their love anthem "I Don't Care About You". "USA" was Fears dig at the Dead Kennedy's. Believe or not they played on Saturday Night Live because John Belushi was a fan. It is on Youtube.
The band I probably saw the most was Motorhead who were always great live but their records were so badly recorded and they actually sounded better on very inferior playback equipment. Have you seen the movie they were a huge part of, "Eat the Rich"? Hilarious.
When "Break on Through" came out, the Doors were amazing but later Jim Morrison was so fucked up on stage. The Byrds were always so wasted on heroin and I swear their songs sounded a lot slower live! And to torture everybody most concert tickets in the 60's were under $7.50. I saw the Rolling Stones for $3.50. The Who back then had the best sound mixer and Led Zeppelin were the first to play for over 1 hour. Their shows were usually 2 hours plus.
I was looking at their music before answering. 'I Don't Care About You' is the essence of punk. Love the title 'What If God's Not One of Us'.
I dig a few songs of Motorhead but have never liked an album. Lemmy, though, more interesting - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSRS-LbuaUw
Most folk probably don't realise The Doors catalogue is a 'whopping' 4 years long.
You have lovely memories! me, being South African, never got to see much. Garbage, Live, Goo Goo Dolls and, especially, The Cult, were highlights.
Nazi ideology exists regardless of race or nationality. Its the media who use it for whatever the agenda is
Thank you. I agree that manipulation is a major factor. I add the caveat that some cultures, especially in extreme situations such as Ukraine, may spurt such radicalism.
PS: Interesting topic headlines on your page. I've bookmarked for a visit later this week.
What a fun trip down memory lane.
The coup actually started a few days before January 1st 2014.
I watched it unfolding from a public library computer.
I remembered how many nukes Ukraine had in the Cold War.
So the thought that a few warheads may have went unaccounted came into my mind.
Now the war drags on, and still the MSM won't report on the abundance of Neo Nazis in Ukraine.
Thanks for all those old film clips ,Mike.
Another nail in the coffin of MSM.
I do feel sorry for the Germans with Nazis held as the horror benchmark. Will that be transferred to shitraelis? I doubt it.
That depends on us.
If we are going to talk about Nazi's, NATO cannot be forgotten-
https://www.dispropaganda.com/single-post/2019/04/04/natos-secret-nazi-past
Also, who finance the Nazi's and still is in existence-
https://www.voltairenet.org/article174656.html
In South Africa, we had the Jesus version of the Nuremberg Trials, the Truth and Reconciliation Commission (TRC).
Voltaire has many great articles.
I did an ok job with https://www.mikehampton.co.uk/p/putin-ukraine-nazi-history-civil-war.
Mingling NATO and South Africa, an ultra fascinating doccie to stream is https://www.mikehampton.co.uk/p/cold-case-apartheid-and-blood-of-united-nations
Thanks for the links and info. Project Coast is what led me to the Truth and Reconciliation Commission and Wouter Basson. The chemical agents from this project I think were moved to other biolabs in Africa and the Ukraine. With US interest in the project and wanting the project to continue under the military is very suspicious.
I do have both books by Susan Williams and the Dag Hammarskjold case, Algerian Civil War, Katanga and the murder of Lumumba were my first political fascinations as a 10 to 12 year old. I was required by family to read the newspaper when I was eight years old and my grandmother was a Christian anarchist and member of the International Workers of the World. The events above really caught my eye and certainly provided a guideline to further research. The bombing campaign by the FLN and later by the OAS I searched for tidbits in our newspaper and I even had my father buy foreign newspapers at the newsstand. I saw Battle of Algiers numerous times at the theater and saw Lumumba when it was released. I have personally both films and the Criterion version of Battle of Algiers is superb.
It is amazing the influence Lumumba has today and even among many young African military leaders. Its seems Lumumba is becoming the philosophical leader of the new African Independence movement. The CIA almost single handedly destroyed the progress of Africa for over 60 years.
You are way ahead of the game on that event.
The documentary is like an auteur movie, when it takes a tangent. Mads Brügger, the director, in his second doccie, went to Central African Republic pretending to be a diplomat, and was welcomed. His latest is excellent - 'The Mole: Undercover in North Korea'.
Director Raoul Peck's 'Lumumba' is good, a brother to his Rwandan 'Sometimes in April'. But my favourite of his is easily his 2013 documentary, 'Fatal Assistance', showing how aid to Haiti was ripped off, and features arseholes such as Bill Clinton. His finger points both ways because my second favourite is 'Moloch Tropical' which satirises a fictional dictator of the island.
'The Young Karl Marx' and 'I Am Not Your Negro'' are also good.
It was a subscriber to my other page that sparked me to watch a lot of his movies in a week.
Your family is interesting. Mine avoided the world and logic, so I turned to books and looked inwards.
The TRC allowed the real villains to get away with the money, and their henchmen to say sorry to avoid jail. Such is modern forgiveness.