Hard to see why the Israelis reject Hamas when the Jewish Terrorist Gangs, Irgun, Stern, Hagannah who paved the way for the Zionist invasion which led to the creation of the State, was the source of more than one Prime Minister.
Indeed, Nelson Mandela was a former terrorist although unlike the Zionist/Jews, he was fighting for justice and freedom, just like Hamas and the Palestinian Resistance as opposed to fighting to invade, occupy and colonise someone else's country as the Jewish terrorists were.
People are always going to be in conflict of belief so its important that one standard of universal human rights is the first concern, and never choosing a religion or a colour of skin. Morals first, ideology and racism last. That means that no matter the dispute, my first view is how does it affect the child who has yet to be indoctrinated. Secondly, how does it affect the adult no matter their belief.
Which is why I form conclusions based on facts to which I apply principles of justice, rule of law, democracy, human rights and common human decency.
Condemn the act, not the individual. Do not blame all in a group for the actions of some fanatics and recognise the humanity in everyone regardless of how wounded or damaged they may be.
I'm a white South African. I know about misplaced blame. Our radical black politicians are still using hate for electioneering despite having been in charge for the past 30 years.
I have lived in Cape Town and Joburg and hubbed through Joburg since 1997 when we went to Angola for more than four years. Also 5+ years in Malawi until 2015 and a stint in Lusaka Zambia. My husband has worked in Namibia, Mali, Niger as well so know quite a bit about Africa. And also spent more than four years in Bombay so understand something of the tribal corruption at work in such places.
Yes, it is hard to watch the corruption and self-serving incompetence at work in Africa but having said that, apartheid was wrong and it had to end regardless of outcomes. Same for Israel in Palestine.
The problem arises from the modern fetish for victimhood. Encourage people to be victims or believe they are victims and that is what they become and who they are. Jews have been mastering the art of victimhood for thousands of years.
From what I can see the biggest victims generally have the biggest egos and become incensed when, regardless of how they act, others dare to criticise them.
Of course Apartheid had to end. I'm lamenting that the nation never learned enough from it.
I can walk into a bar and if there are only old whities there, they will, inevitably be racist. But they're not in control. So when black firebrands seek popularity through hate, it despairs me.
If only the Public realised that we have no ideological parties, and that corruption rules South Africa, and buys all parties. I have intimate experienced in walking through the fog, trying to do a good thing, and having the politicians (from opposing parties) wreck my life. And the few victories I had got erased by propaganda.
I have to say I was far more frightened living in Cape Town, when I was on my own, than I was living in Angola during the Civil War. The black on white murders were pure hatred. You were killed for your colour in ways you would not be even in Angola. I always thought Cape town was no different to Joburg in terms of the violence. Many stay because they regularly pop the blue pill of denial. But easy for me to say, not being challenged in such a way as an Australian.
There are good and sensible people of all colours and cultures. Unfortunately the powerful and rich run the show just about everywhere.
Thanks very much for sharing this Mike. It’s good to read the document without it’s ‘interpretation’ by those politicians who should know better. It also reads like a perfectly reasonable document outlining the desires of an unjustly subjugated people.
Even if we went back to the formation of, for example, the Houthis, and they basically were saying "fuck you, die, die, die," I'd understand. What would my language be if my family was being killed and subjugated by people with a different skin colour and not my religion. Hate is easy, and justifiable to a degree. What's insane is when the 'master race' is more upset by the words thrown at them than the bombs their government throws back. Sometimes, because I'm white, I feel like we should call ourselves Karen instead of Caucasian. The violent is what counts, and it must stop!
A Jewish American woman, some sort of writer I think, and yes I should have copied and filed it, said not long after October 7, that if the Jews had broken out of the Warsaw Ghetto and found Germans dancing at a music festival on the other side of the fence they would have attacked and killed them as well. It disappeared, of course.
It never vanished because I read something similar. It also went on to say that those Jews seeking freedom did so knowing many would die, because dying trying was better than waiting to be killed.
Yes, I did read somewhere that the story of the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto is inspiration for many Christians and Moslems in the Gaza Ghetto because it is about choosing to die on one's feet instead of living on one's knees.
I doubt the article could be found anymore with the reference to the Warsaw Ghetto.
And while I found it, the section saying that if Jews had broken out of the Warsaw Ghetto and found Germans dancing outside they would also have killed (or attacked) them has been deleted.
You’re welcome: I’d like as many people as possible to read the Hamas declarations and understand they are a reasonable response to the situation that Palestine found itself in. Here in Britain, Hamas is a proscribed organisation, because it’s deemed terrorist. Therefore, most people here won’t get to see this, hence my re-stack.
They are two people who would induce projectile vomiting from me, so I avoid them wherever possible. Both combined must have been a horrible viewing session.
I can’t help but agree with you. Although I was only a very little kid at the time, so my analysis is based on reports since, I understand that the 1967 war against the zionist entity was one (??) Egypt and Syria suffered serious defeats. It is truly frustrating that other Arab countries don’t intervene on a military basis in support of the people of Palestine. The Yemeni army has really shown some courage in doing so. Also, as everyone in the know says, why don’t ISIS ever attack the zionist entity?
Grayzone's interview with the Houthis is an essential explanation - https://youtu.be/9k3hAkr1FNc
If I don't steal it someone else will. The words of a carpet baggerafter the US Civil War
The words of a two- bit mugger, taking your wife's wedding ring at gun point 👉 and the words of God's chosen people.
Hard to see why the Israelis reject Hamas when the Jewish Terrorist Gangs, Irgun, Stern, Hagannah who paved the way for the Zionist invasion which led to the creation of the State, was the source of more than one Prime Minister.
Indeed, Nelson Mandela was a former terrorist although unlike the Zionist/Jews, he was fighting for justice and freedom, just like Hamas and the Palestinian Resistance as opposed to fighting to invade, occupy and colonise someone else's country as the Jewish terrorists were.
People are always going to be in conflict of belief so its important that one standard of universal human rights is the first concern, and never choosing a religion or a colour of skin. Morals first, ideology and racism last. That means that no matter the dispute, my first view is how does it affect the child who has yet to be indoctrinated. Secondly, how does it affect the adult no matter their belief.
Which is why I form conclusions based on facts to which I apply principles of justice, rule of law, democracy, human rights and common human decency.
Condemn the act, not the individual. Do not blame all in a group for the actions of some fanatics and recognise the humanity in everyone regardless of how wounded or damaged they may be.
I'm a white South African. I know about misplaced blame. Our radical black politicians are still using hate for electioneering despite having been in charge for the past 30 years.
I have lived in Cape Town and Joburg and hubbed through Joburg since 1997 when we went to Angola for more than four years. Also 5+ years in Malawi until 2015 and a stint in Lusaka Zambia. My husband has worked in Namibia, Mali, Niger as well so know quite a bit about Africa. And also spent more than four years in Bombay so understand something of the tribal corruption at work in such places.
Yes, it is hard to watch the corruption and self-serving incompetence at work in Africa but having said that, apartheid was wrong and it had to end regardless of outcomes. Same for Israel in Palestine.
The problem arises from the modern fetish for victimhood. Encourage people to be victims or believe they are victims and that is what they become and who they are. Jews have been mastering the art of victimhood for thousands of years.
From what I can see the biggest victims generally have the biggest egos and become incensed when, regardless of how they act, others dare to criticise them.
Great to know. Few people understand.
Of course Apartheid had to end. I'm lamenting that the nation never learned enough from it.
I can walk into a bar and if there are only old whities there, they will, inevitably be racist. But they're not in control. So when black firebrands seek popularity through hate, it despairs me.
If only the Public realised that we have no ideological parties, and that corruption rules South Africa, and buys all parties. I have intimate experienced in walking through the fog, trying to do a good thing, and having the politicians (from opposing parties) wreck my life. And the few victories I had got erased by propaganda.
I have to say I was far more frightened living in Cape Town, when I was on my own, than I was living in Angola during the Civil War. The black on white murders were pure hatred. You were killed for your colour in ways you would not be even in Angola. I always thought Cape town was no different to Joburg in terms of the violence. Many stay because they regularly pop the blue pill of denial. But easy for me to say, not being challenged in such a way as an Australian.
There are good and sensible people of all colours and cultures. Unfortunately the powerful and rich run the show just about everywhere.
Hell, that's a nice house you have there. Move out! The United States gave it to me.
Thanks very much for sharing this Mike. It’s good to read the document without it’s ‘interpretation’ by those politicians who should know better. It also reads like a perfectly reasonable document outlining the desires of an unjustly subjugated people.
Even if we went back to the formation of, for example, the Houthis, and they basically were saying "fuck you, die, die, die," I'd understand. What would my language be if my family was being killed and subjugated by people with a different skin colour and not my religion. Hate is easy, and justifiable to a degree. What's insane is when the 'master race' is more upset by the words thrown at them than the bombs their government throws back. Sometimes, because I'm white, I feel like we should call ourselves Karen instead of Caucasian. The violent is what counts, and it must stop!
Ta for the restack.
A Jewish American woman, some sort of writer I think, and yes I should have copied and filed it, said not long after October 7, that if the Jews had broken out of the Warsaw Ghetto and found Germans dancing at a music festival on the other side of the fence they would have attacked and killed them as well. It disappeared, of course.
It never vanished because I read something similar. It also went on to say that those Jews seeking freedom did so knowing many would die, because dying trying was better than waiting to be killed.
Yes, I did read somewhere that the story of the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto is inspiration for many Christians and Moslems in the Gaza Ghetto because it is about choosing to die on one's feet instead of living on one's knees.
I doubt the article could be found anymore with the reference to the Warsaw Ghetto.
You never tried searching e.g. Gaza Warsaw Ghetto (and limit search to past month).
Great thanks. I did not even have to limit search but found fewer words works best.
And while I found it, the section saying that if Jews had broken out of the Warsaw Ghetto and found Germans dancing outside they would also have killed (or attacked) them has been deleted.
https://www.newyorker.com/news/the-weekend-essay/in-the-shadow-of-the-holocaust
You’re welcome: I’d like as many people as possible to read the Hamas declarations and understand they are a reasonable response to the situation that Palestine found itself in. Here in Britain, Hamas is a proscribed organisation, because it’s deemed terrorist. Therefore, most people here won’t get to see this, hence my re-stack.
Yesterday, watching Rishi Sunak being interviewed by Piers Morgan was full-on cringe evasion.
They are two people who would induce projectile vomiting from me, so I avoid them wherever possible. Both combined must have been a horrible viewing session.
Indeed, it was, but I wanted to see Sunak dodging being on record, for my record.
You have a stronger stomach than me!
I can’t help but agree with you. Although I was only a very little kid at the time, so my analysis is based on reports since, I understand that the 1967 war against the zionist entity was one (??) Egypt and Syria suffered serious defeats. It is truly frustrating that other Arab countries don’t intervene on a military basis in support of the people of Palestine. The Yemeni army has really shown some courage in doing so. Also, as everyone in the know says, why don’t ISIS ever attack the zionist entity?